Hayley Hobson: Hey, my friends, I'm Haley Hobson. And I'm so glad you're here. Welcome to the 1010, podcast.
Hayley Hobson: Where I help ambitious women like you look and feel younger, so you can achieve that 10 out of 10 lifestyle and unlock financial freedom.
Hayley Hobson: Today I am taking you to a whole new bougie biohacking level and bringing not one, but two experts in to explain everything you need to know about PEMF therapy.
Hayley Hobson: When most people think of alternative wellness and fitness, they usually think of essential oils, homeopathic remedies, yoga, acupuncture—all of which I am a huge fan of.
Hayley Hobson: But these days, holistic wellness is reaching all new scientific levels and incorporating things like physics and electromagnetic technology.
Hayley Hobson: So that you can address the root cause of biological imbalances.
Hayley Hobson: Especially molecular imbalances and heal on a cellular level.
Hayley Hobson: But before we do a deep dive into that, let me back up.
Hayley Hobson: Last year I did something that I never do. I stayed out past 9 o'clock at night, which is my bedtime, and as I was hanging out with some friends at a local bar, I got into a game of air hockey.
Hayley Hobson: Actually, I got too into a game of air hockey, and I legit really hurt my shoulder. So embarrassing.
Hayley Hobson: When people ask me what was wrong and how I did it, yes, the answer was embarrassing.
Hayley Hobson: But what's worse is that almost a year later I was still having pain in my shoulder.
Hayley Hobson: And as someone who's always been into woo woo wellness, I've been trying all kinds of remedies to heal.
Hayley Hobson: And so far I have found temporary relief. But the problem has not been totally fixed.
Hayley Hobson: So I decided to invest in cutting-edge electromagnetic technology.
Hayley Hobson: And the system that I purchased is called the Kloud PEMF Mat, which uses electromagnetic frequencies to penetrate deep into the tissues and activate my cells.
Hayley Hobson: It improves blood supply, and it causes an increase of oxygen pressure, activating and regenerating cells. So now I am healing on a molecular level, and I feel it. I can move my arm around. It's not perfect yet, but the amount of progress has been unbelievable.
Hayley Hobson: So this Nobel Prize-winning science behind how it works is really wild. And so I invited two experts to explain all of this to not only you, but to me too. So I want to introduce Hasso and Sasha.
Hayley Hobson: Hasso is a German naturopath.
Hayley Hobson: And he's a functional medicine practitioner.
Hayley Hobson: A biofield kinesiologist, a clinical herbalist, and he's also a practitioner of craniosacral therapy.
Hayley Hobson: I don't even know if I'm pronouncing that right. He practices integrated healing arts in Mill Valley, California, and his work focuses on activating the inner healer by synergizing ancient wisdom with contemporary science.
Hayley Hobson: So healing for him is not just a science but also a love.
Hayley Hobson: I'm very excited to get started with both of them. Hello, Hasso.
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: Hello!
Hayley Hobson: Oh, it's a pleasure for me to have you here. Thank you so much. You know, I've been getting so many questions.
Hayley Hobson: Either in response to emails or people watching my social media. And I haven't posted links or invited anybody to dive deep into any websites. I've just shown my life and how it's working. And I've had so many questions about PEMF therapy. So instead of describing it from my point of view, because I'm clearly not an expert, I thought I'd invite you in and ask you some questions.
Hayley Hobson: So the first, yeah, the first one really is just what is PEMF therapy, and how does it work?
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: Do you want me to start? This is a really good question. PEMF stands for Pulsed Electromolecular Activation Therapy. Right? So it's kind of like, the F actually stands for frequency. This technology has been around for about 70 years, but clinical studies have really come in over the last 40 years.
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: What it is really about in essence is the activation of electrons around molecules. You can imagine electrons move around molecules just like planets move around the sun.
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: There's a lot of space actually in between these electrons and the molecules. So even though we think we're really solid beings, we are actually not. We're really electrical beings. And there's a lot of space inside of us.
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: The Kloud is bringing electron activation to a complete new level. Or you could say, I am referring to the Kloud because it's just the most cutting-edge technology on the market. So it's not really about the Kloud, but about the intelligence of this new technology that I like to address. It's about activation energy.
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: So imagine there are wave packets of photons that create physical and biochemical reactions.
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: Just like when light comes into your eye, it folds on the retina, creating a signal in your nervous system, and then it produces a biochemical reaction that gets translated in your brain into visual recognition.
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: And so this is really what goes on with these molecules. Different molecules need different activation energy. Imagine a bone molecule needs different activation energy than, for example, your retina itself, right?
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: There are about 200 different molecules. So with the activations through the pulsed electromagnetic field therapy, we're trying to activate all these different molecules. Imagine throwing a stone into a lake—it creates this ripple effect. And that's exactly what happens. When we do a 15-minute session on one of these advanced PEMF devices, we’re activating molecules on a molecular level. So that's a good entry into the topic.
Hayley Hobson: Yeah, that's great. So I shared a minute ago one of the reasons I decided... I'm interested in all the latest wave of technology. I consider myself a biohacker in many different segments of my life. But besides someone being in pain and having an injury, why else would something like this be useful for our health?
Hayley Hobson: Why else would something like this be useful for our health? Who is it for?
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: Well, I would start by saying that PEMF therapy is beneficial for anyone who wants to improve their overall health, not just those who are recovering from injuries or dealing with pain. Think of it as a tool for both healing and prevention. Over time, this therapy has evolved from focusing just on cellular health to targeting molecular health, which is where its potential impact really shines.
Hayley Hobson: Right. And I think that’s what makes it so intriguing. I mean, I already try to do all the things to stay healthy, but this seems like it’s operating on a deeper level. And for people out there who are using supplements, essential oils, adaptogens, or other wellness practices, this isn’t necessarily a replacement, is it?
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: Exactly. This technology is very complementary to all those practices. Think of it as amplifying the impact of the other things you're already doing for your health. So, if you’re taking supplements or using essential oils, PEMF therapy can help your body utilize those things more effectively because it’s working on that molecular level, improving blood flow, oxygenation, and overall nutrient delivery.
Hayley Hobson: Got it. So it’s not just helping in isolation; it enhances the benefits of what you’re already doing.
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: Absolutely. Every form of natural therapy has its niche, but they all work best when they’re complementary. When you bring together a balanced diet, physical activity, maybe essential oils, and PEMF therapy, you’re building a foundation of resilience in the body. PEMF isn’t just for treating conditions; it’s also for prevention, which, ultimately, is so much more effective.
Hayley Hobson: That’s a great point. And when you look at how much we deal with inflammation or degenerative processes, it feels like this kind of therapy has a really wide application.
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: Yes, inflammation is the root of so many health issues. By addressing that, you’re setting up your body for better regeneration. When inflammation is reduced, the body’s healing pathways are opened up, which enables it to repair and regenerate tissues. That’s where PEMF’s molecular activation creates a powerful healing effect, which is why we see it as a valuable wellness device.
Hayley Hobson: Speaking of the healing process, can you walk us through what a typical PEMF session looks like? For someone interested in trying it, what should they expect?
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: Sure. A session is very straightforward and non-invasive. You simply lie on a mat, usually for about 15 minutes, and relax. The mat emits the electromagnetic frequencies that do the work, and you can use it in different ways depending on what you’re focusing on. For instance, you can fold it to target a specific area, like your shoulder or back. It’s essentially giving the body what it needs to self-heal, allowing it to drop into a parasympathetic state where true recovery can happen.
Hayley Hobson: I’ve actually started incorporating it into my day while I work. I lay the mat along the back of my chair or sometimes use it in the morning before I get out of bed. I’ve noticed improvements, especially with my sleep and with my shoulder’s range of motion.
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: That’s fantastic, Hayley! Consistency with PEMF therapy really does make a difference. Like you said, it’s a gradual improvement, and by using it regularly, you’re essentially charging your cells with energy that enhances their ability to heal. It's very much like keeping a battery charged.
Hayley Hobson: Exactly! And it’s been easy to incorporate into my routine, which is great for people who think they don’t have the time. I even travel with the smaller mat and use it on flights or in hotels.
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: That’s a smart way to use it. Given the environmental challenges we face, like electromagnetic pollution, air travel, and less time spent in natural settings, having a tool like this helps counterbalance all those influences. It provides that grounding energy which our bodies need but aren’t getting as much of naturally.
Hayley Hobson: So true. It’s like a modern solution for our modern lives. But speaking of environmental influences, can you touch on the science behind why this kind of grounding is essential now?
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: Certainly. The earth has a natural magnetic field, which helps to stabilize and balance our own body’s energy. But nowadays, with more exposure to things like pollution, 5G signals, and less contact with natural settings, that grounding effect is reduced. PEMF therapy mimics the earth’s magnetic frequencies to reintroduce that grounding energy, helping to restore the body’s resilience and ability to self-heal.
Hayley Hobson: Makes sense. And in terms of other PEMF devices out there, like Sedona, Kloud, or Beamer, people often ask about the differences. Could you explain why certain devices stand out?
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: Yes, I’d be happy to. The main thing to look at is the type of signal the device uses. For example, the Kloud, which we’re discussing, uses a sophisticated signal known as a superposition signal, which combines multiple frequencies. This allows it to reach a wider range of molecules in the body, leading to greater therapeutic effects. Older devices may use simpler waveforms, which have limited molecular activation.
Hayley Hobson: That’s really helpful to know. And lastly, I know people are curious about the price point for these devices, as they are an investment. How do you usually explain the value?
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: It’s true, the Kloud and other advanced PEMF systems aren’t inexpensive, but when you consider the long-term benefits, it’s actually quite economical. Think of it as investing in your health rather than paying for sickness. Over the years, the cost per use becomes very minimal, especially if you think about the health improvements and potential medical costs you’re avoiding.
Hayley Hobson: I completely agree. There’s always a cost, whether it’s the upfront cost of investing in our health or the later costs of dealing with illness. I’d rather spend my resources now on staying well than face the price of sickness down the road. Thank you, Hasso, for breaking down everything today. It’s so valuable to understand the science behind this, and I know people will benefit from it.
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: Thank you, Hayley. It’s been wonderful sharing this information with you.
Hayley Hobson: And for anyone interested in learning more or finding the mat, you can go to haleyhobson.com/Kloud. That’s with a “K”—H-A-Y-L-E-Y H-O-B-S-O-N dot com slash K-L-O-U-D.
Hayley Hobson: Thank you, Hasso and Sasha, for sharing all your knowledge today. You’ve broken down what can seem like complicated science into something that’s easy to understand.
Hayley Hobson: And for everyone listening, I want to mention again that if you’re curious about the Kloud PEMF mat or have more questions, you can visit haleyhobson.com/Kloud. Remember, that’s spelled with a “K”—K-L-O-U-D. And if you’re tuning in from social media, feel free to DM me “Kloud” with a “K,” and I’ll send you more details about this device and the benefits.
Hayley Hobson: If today’s conversation resonated with you, please share this episode with someone you love. Health is a gift, and the more we share what’s possible, the better we can all feel. Thanks again, and until next time, I’ll see you all online!
Hasso Wittboldt-Mueller: Blessings, Hayley.